Bitcoin savings vs. casino-style exchanges: Julian Liniger on the Stephan Livera podcast

Relai's Julian Liniger argues that most crypto exchanges are built like casinos, while Relai is building a savings brand for people who want to accumulate Bitcoin in self-custody over the long run. The episode covers rising living costs pushing Europeans to rethink savings, the pull of momentum trading and leverage, and Relai's MiCA compliance journey. Liniger reports more than 100,000 users holding over 20,000 BTC in their own wallets, not under Relai's management.